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This argument sounds familiar.
Tricycles generally have one wheel at the front and 2 at the back and some online dictionaries specify that, which would indeed indicate that how the 3rd wheel is attached most certainly does matter. Most sidecar outfits are set up with the sidecar wheel ahead of the motorcycle's rear wheel so they don't have 2 wheels at the rear (the sidecars sold by Harley are a notable exception - maybe those could possibly be considered trikes).
The main difference between a trike and a sidecar outfit is that trikes are symmetrical so they steer the same in either direction but sidecar outfits are asymmetrical so steering toward the sidecar is considerably different from steering away from the sidecar.

BTW: Pedal cycle experience to the contrary, it is generally agreed among people who have operated both that it takes more skill to control a sidecar outfit than it does to control a 2 wheeler.

The simplest item to weight reduce is the rider.
I have to agree. I decreased he total weight of motorcycle + myself a couple of years ago by a bit more than all of Mark's efforts did simply by changing the way I ate.
 

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"BTW: Pedal cycle experience to the contrary, it is generally agreed among people who have operated both that it takes more skill to control a sidecar outfit than it does to control a 2 wheeler. "

Only due to unequal inputs and reactions side to side. You learn what you can get away with like anything else.

I've never ridden an outfit on the road, but have ridden a scrambles outfit.
 

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3 wheels is a tricycle (trike) by definition..........

How the 3rd wheel is attached is no matter.
My son road as motorcycle escort before he moved to Sacramento. In the winter, he always wished for a Harley Police Trike. They were very stable. Even had reverse.
But because he was low man on the totem pole, he usually got stuck with a Harley and just an outrigger wheel, which was extremely unstable in the snow or icy roads.
He did not confuse an outrigger with a Trike.
I wonder how a dual wheel drive Ural behaves?
 

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In the recumbent cycling world a delta trike has one wheel at the front, two behind while a tadpole has two front wheels and one rear wheel. In Ontario the law permits conversion of a motorcycle to a delta trike but not to a tadpole trike. The Can-Am and Polaris trikes are permitted .
Adding a sidecar is considered to be adding an accessory to the motorcycle.
 

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I got my first sidecar so I didn't have to take the bus to work in the winter. A couple of years later I got a second bike so I didn't have to use the nice one when the roads are salted. There are roads near where we live now that I'll happily use on 3 wheels but wouldn't go down on 2 wheels (if you ever got half way in and found a grader plowing up the road you'll understand what I mean) so I got another sidecar for the summer machine.

BTW: I did have a trike for a couple of years. It is NOT the same as a sidecar outfit.
Do you have any opinion on outfits with drive to the "3rd wheel"-e.g. Ural for US market-Urals offered locally don't offer that.
 

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I'm also on the Canadian URal & Dnepr Riders (CURD) forum (they let me in because My GoldWing's sidecar is a Dnepr). From what I've read there, 2WD Urals don't have differentials so while they are a lot of fun in trails with loose dirt surfaces, the 2WD makes it hard to steer on paved roads so most wear & tear on the 2WD parts comes from having them turned by the sidecar wheel rather than being used to turn the sidecar wheel. As I understand it, if you get stuck on snow or ice the 2WD can get you moving again but you need to switch back to 1WD again once moving so that you can steer.

Personally, I've never had a driven sidecar wheel and it has been a long time since I was stuck on ice or snow and I don't remember a time when either pushing with my left foot (sidecars are on the right here) or standing on the outer footpegs to move my weight onto the back wheel and lighten the sidecar wheel didn't get me moving again.
 

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I'm also on the Canadian URal & Dnepr Riders (CURD) forum (they let me in because My GoldWing's sidecar is a Dnepr). From what I've read there, 2WD Urals don't have differentials so while they are a lot of fun in trails with loose dirt surfaces, the 2WD makes it hard to steer on paved roads so most wear & tear on the 2WD parts comes from having them turned by the sidecar wheel rather than being used to turn the sidecar wheel. As I understand it, if you get stuck on snow or ice the 2WD can get you moving again but you need to switch back to 1WD again once moving so that you can steer.

Personally, I've never had a driven sidecar wheel and it has been a long time since I was stuck on ice or snow and I don't remember a time when either pushing with my left foot (sidecars are on the right here) or standing on the outer footpegs to move my weight onto the back wheel and lighten the sidecar wheel didn't get me moving again.
Thanks for your reply
I wont "hijack" CXPHREAK's thread-maybe discuss next zoom(y)
 

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There's no getting around the fact that the CX family of bikes are porkers for 500 - 650 cc bikes. The engines alone weigh 65 kg. with hanger. Which is more than I weigh.

Stock wet weight for a CX500 standard is 225 kg. wet.

The thingy weighed in today at 197 kg with a full tank of fuel. Happy with that but have plans to knock off a little more along the way.

Interesting to know the weights of some of the members bikes.
I'm sorry i relay don't know how much my bike ways it's a ( 1975 CX5oo ) but i must tell you this my bike flies. I can keep up with a Kawasaki 1000 for the first 500 ft. my bike is no porker that's for sure. It surprises me too but i love this bike i ride it all year round even in the snow.
 

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Any mods, or a stocker?

Stock they are quicker than you'd expect.

This one has some engine mods.

It's actually shocked me a few times now.
 

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re 1975 CX -might be a "registration"/"vehicle licencing" in US?- typo that has just carried through for many years.....

I have bought CBs in the past where Vin(frame) and Engine number are accurately recorded-but description on the papers e.g. CB250 1970 was actually out by a few years....:oops:

Maybe someone can refer the owner to USA Vins/Engine numbers to make his future parts ordering less painful.....
 
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