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First I would like to thank those of you that have been helping me jump through mental hurtles lately. And thank you for taking the time once again
My question is this: I have a 78 stator, can I use the 78 core, rewind it with the help here

(24 turns, 3 phase)????? I just want to know if the 83 gl stator cores are the same as the 78-81, naked.
 

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I wouldn´t think so.



AFAIK does the -83 stator (non CDI-type) have 18 coils - all for the charging system.



The earlier (CDI-type) stator has 14 charging system coils + 2 ignition source coils.



And those two ignition coils are wound on their own "bodies" then slid into the stator body itself. The slots are clearly visible on the picture below.



When on the subject: Can someone explain to me? Isn´t there a contradiction between 14 coils and 3-phase AC? I´m thinking like "symmetry"??



A NOS OEM "CDI-type" alternator assy here:







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I think it would be a similar process as that, but different, your cdi stator has two ignition windings on it that that stator does not have. The ignition windings are larger and will be different than all the others. Your ignition windings are working so you do not want to unwind them, you want to leave them alone.



The Gl stator has only one purpose,,charging the battery.



Your CX stator has two functions, it charges the battery,,, plus it provides the voltage to power the CDI.



I do not know if you use the same number of wraps(24), someone else will probably know.



Your stator has 14 charging windings(bobbins) and 2 ignition windings, the one in that link has 18 charging windings.

I do not know how that works out because each phase on that GL stator would use six posts(18 divided by 3). Yours only has 14 posts and you can't divide 14 evenly by 3.



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I typed this earlier but cut it out because I thought maybe I was way off,,but since Sture asked while I was posting,,here was my theory.




Maybe it goes 5 - 5 - 4

with more wraps on the each of the 4 posts?

IF there is 24 wraps on each post, that would be 120 wraps per each phase(24 X 5),,so on the phase that used only 4 posts maybe you would use 30 wraps on each post(30 X 4) to get 120 total wraps.

I don't know because I don't know enough about electricity.
 

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I wouldn´t think so.



AFAIK does the -83 stator (non CDI-type) have 18 coils - all for the charging system.



The earlier (CDI-type) stator has 14 charging system coils + 2 ignition feed coils.



And those two ignition coils are wound on their own "bodies" - slid into the stator body itself.



A NOS OEM "CDI-type" alternator here:







Sture
How many coils are on that sture? Its hard to make out.Are 2 of the poles larger than the others? Anyone have a junk g8 stator I can play with?

EDIT. Wait a sec, I can leave those 2 bodies out since they were ONLY for the ignition right? If I keep it to the same number of turns and use the next up gauge wire... All I need is 14 volts and.... Im rambling....

EDIT 2. LOL ALLAN!! Thank you for getting me thinking in the right direction. I knew I was missing something. There has to be a way to do it, Maybe I will just count the wrap as I take the old off....

EDIT 3. I have an ignitech on the way.
 

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How many coils are on that sture? Its hard to make out.Are 2 of the poles larger than the others? Anyone have a junk g8 stator I can play with?


There are 14 + 2. I´m positive about that. The CDI-type stator and its coils are rather symmetric. 7 charging system coils each side of the two opposed ignition source coils. Even if you can´t see all the coils totally clear on the picture.



The ignition source coils are bigger than the other ones.
 

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Double post - sorry!!
 

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EDIT. Wait a sec, I can leave those 2 bodies out since they were ONLY for the ignition right? If I keep it to the same number of turns and use the next up gauge wire... All I need is 14 volts and.... Im rambling....

EDIT 2. LOL ALLAN!! Thank you for getting me thinking in the right direction. I knew I was missing something. There has to be a way to do it, Maybe I will just count the wrap as I take the old off....

EDIT 3. I have an ignitech on the way.


I would try to get an old G8, easier and better.
 

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Thanks, I need to hear how it really is. So I guess I'm on the hunt for the cheapest g8 stator I can steal, plus I have to figure out a list of things Im going to need once the motor is open. Anyone want to help me with a clear list of things needed to do this job? Gaskets, o-rings or whatever, and the best way of obtaining those items? I've been reading a lot and have picked up something here and something there. I would rather not get half done with this, motor open, waiting for something I forgot to order. Although of course there can be surprises. Should I plan on a cam chain tentioner? I dont know how to get on a list for the yamaha or whatever kind of mech seal everyone is using. I'm sorry to be so needy. Can a piece of clutch material make it to the stator? Why is the sky blue?
 

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Just curious, I'd like to know the (if there is one) difference in diameter of a cdi stator core and a g-8 core. The farther away the copper from the magnet the more loss of current generation. is there a slight difference in the diameter of the 2 rotors?
 

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To open up all of your options the here's a list of which stators are used in which bike.



http://www.bbbikeshop.co.uk/acatalog/Browse___Best___Buy_Honda_Alternators_139.html



To Fit :- (Stator Size 115/54/28mm) CX500E Prolink 1982>. CX500 Turbo 1983>. CX650 1983>. CX650 Turbo 1983>. CX650C Custom 1983>. CX650E 1983>. GL500 1982>. GL650 1983>. NT650GT Nighthawk 1988-91. NTV650 1994>. NTV650 Revere 1988-93.NV750CG Shadow 1986>. PC800 Pacific Coast 1989-97. VT700C Shadow 1984>. VT750C Shadow 1983>. VT800C 1988>. VT1000C Shadow 1985>. FJS600 Silverwing*
 

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If you want the Yamaha seal look up the following ebay item. $19.95

or offer, shipping included. I offered $15 for one and got it.



260672212824
 

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If you want the Yamaha seal look up the following ebay item. $19.95

or offer, shipping included. I offered $15 for one and got it.



260672212824
Thanks boulder! I owe ya a beer. Now to dig into what Stitch sent. This site is like Christmas sometimes. The lil helps people throw your way, its neat. And do I ever need it lol!

EDIT: I offered 16.00 and the offer was accepted immediately. To bad it is an ebayer and not a store. Wont last long. Wonder how many they have.
 

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Started taking the motor out today. Didnt even get the motor out and I think i found why I was having charging problems. Not that the stator was bad, but that I have taken my carbs out and put them in so many times, I messed up the wires as they come out of the stator plate. More to come...
 

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First I would like to thank those of you that have been helping me jump through mental hurtles lately. And thank you for taking the time once again
My question is this: I have a 78 stator, can I use the 78 core, rewind it with the help here

(24 turns, 3 phase)????? I just want to know if the 83 gl stator cores are the same as the 78-81, naked.


Nate

Thems different animals

they work the same though.

The snag is, a DIY rewind is theoretically easy but tricky to do well

and soooo easy to feck up.

A g8 rewind is easier than a G47.

Its all practise and technique,it can be a frustrating expensive and time consuming

process until you get it right.

As you say you have an Ignitech on the way, I urge you to bite the bullet and

get a G8 stator.
 

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Nate

Thems different animals

they work the same though.

The snag is, a DIY rewind is theoretically easy but tricky to do well

and soooo easy to feck up.

A g8 rewind is easier than a G47.

Its all practise and technique,it can be a frustrating expensive and time consuming

process until you get it right.

As you say you have an Ignitech on the way, I urge you to bite the bullet and

get a G8 stator.
I have a g8 core on the way $23.00 on ebay from a 82 GL1100 Also many other things like the stator wire, rear case gasket, mech seal, and so on. This is what I got done in 2 hours today.

 
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