[chiangmaiglman]

In a reply to a posting a while back, somebody (I don't remember who) suggested that they run a small mix of Honda Moly 60 paste in the crankcase to improve lubrication properties.



Sounds like it might not be a bad idea.



Perhaps the original poster could chime in with their results.



If anyone else might care to comment on the possible positives or negatives of doing so, I'd certainly appreciate it before doing so.



Thanks,



Mark in Thailand

 

[Panther]

Moly will build up on roller bearings and cause them to wear out quickly.

Using it as a lube on plain bearings and other surfaces, like cam followers, during assembly is fine. but I would Not use it as a regular oil additive.

We have roller/ball bearings in the transmission and output shaft that are lubricated my the engine oil.



EDIT:

http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showpost.php?p=27915&postcount=8



Though, I am sure grease with Less moly would work fine.

the Honda Moly we use here is 60%.

 

[Stan in Toronto]

Don't think it would help the clutch much.

 

[Scudman]

Todays oils are just fine in a motor that is not even closse to being streesed. Any oil additives will only degrade the lubrication qualities of the oil. I just use a high grade diesel oil like Rotella or Delvac in all of my bikes including the track only bikes.

 

[marshallf3]

Todays oils are just fine in a motor that is not even closse to being streesed. Any oil additives will only degrade the lubrication qualities of the oil. I just use a high grade diesel oil like Rotella or Delvac in all of my bikes including the track only bikes.

Agreed, and in my car too. The new oils will cause our clutches to slip.

 

[Linny]

I have seen what Panther said about the bearings. I wouldn't do it either.

 

[LRCXed]

I agree, DON'T put grease in the crankcase. The ONLY oil additive I have ever used is made by GM. EOS by GM. It was introduced to me back in 85 when the dealer told me to use it in my 454 Chevy truck. They replaced my engine due to a call back. I took the heads off at 85K to replace the valve guide seals and compared all the measurements with my build sheet since I built the motor they put back in. After all those hard high heat miles pulling 25' boats and trailers, there was only half a thousandths wear anywhere in the engine. It now has 125+K on it and doesn't show any signs of going away. I will tell you though, even though they say to add it to new engines, don't add it in until your engine is broken in. It adds protection to all the metal surfaces so fast that the rings don't have enough of a rough surface to break in. I know because my truck has burned a little oil ever since I built it.



I have been using this additive in every engine I have ever had including my bikes. In fact, Jeremy has it in his bike right now while he's on the trip to South America. The clutch won't slip either. 5K on my CX500, 3K on my GL650 with no issues.



It will lower the overall temp of the engine due to less friction too.



OK, off the podium now.

 

[Shep]

I've used Molybdenum disulphide based products for over 30 years,no problems including engine additives.They have never clogged up bearings and Moly paste is recommended by professionals for pre-lubricating Cam shafts and Crank shafts including big ends,



http://www.engineparts.com/installationtips.asp



Also

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molybdenum_disulfide



does not adhere to the none metallic plates of the clutch.It's used on both my CX and I have no clutch slippage and no build ups have been found when the engines have been stripped for servicing except on one occasion a little sump sludge but that could have been other debris as well.

 

[chiangmaiglman]

I've used Molybdenum disulphide based products for over 30 years,no problems including engine additives.They have never clogged up bearings and Moly paste is recommended by professionals for pre-lubricating Cam shafts and Crank shafts including big ends,



http://www.enginepar...llationtips.asp



Also

http://en.wikipedia....denum_disulfide



does not adhere to the none metallic plates of the clutch.It's used on both my CX and I have no clutch slippage and no build ups have been found when the engines have been stripped for servicing except on one occasion a little sump sludge but that could have been other debris as well.

Shep,



Thanks for the response. It's always interesting to have a spirited debate and discussion particularly with those who have actual experience with a situation.



So, no problems in 30 years. What Moly paste do you use and how do you apply it? I should think too much would be, perhaps, detrimental, too little not effective.



There are aftermarket Moly based oil additives, aren't there. How would they differ from what you do?



I look forward to your response.



Mark in Thailand

 

[marshallf3]

Only an opinion but I wouldn't want any moly stuff near my clutch nor any additives.

Were it a dry clutch my opinion might be different.



As Shep has always said - change your oil often and stick to the inexpensive diesel oils. You probably don't need to change your filter every time but they're cheap enough. These bikes were designed for 10W-40 oil with no additives. Consensus is that the Shell Rotella 15W-40, their 5W-40 synthetic or the equivalent in Mobil Delvac is the best as they still maintain a high zinc content which is essential for the shear forces that our tranny gears subject the oil to.



Here's a report on what's in that break in oil: http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1086277

 

[cruisertim]

http://www.militec1.com/ I am currently researching this product for use in my bike. I have used this on my firearms a nd in my other vehicles for 2 years now. What I find is that it does do what it says. There has never been any negative issues on my part about the product. I will follow up later with my research. Tim