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So I finally noticed my un-aligned front wheel. I always noticed a slight angle on my bars but I assumed the tank wasn't on straight or something. Between the right fork and wheel is there supposed to be a collar or spacer? I just have the axle rod to a rubber bushing in the wheel.



I took everything off at work and I could swear something is missing to make the forks twist or something. Nothing has any marks of a bend and no welds have stress cracks or rust so what's up here. I'll post pics later.
 

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So I finally noticed my un-aligned front wheel. I always noticed a slight angle on my bars but I assumed the tank wasn't on straight or something. Between the right fork and wheel is there supposed to be a collar or spacer? I just have the axle rod to a rubber bushing in the wheel.



I took everything off at work and I could swear something is missing to make the forks twist or something. Nothing has any marks of a bend and no welds have stress cracks or rust so what's up here. I'll post pics later.




I believe you may be missing the spacing collar (if that is what it's called) ... If my memory serves, It is about 1/2 " long and fits over the axle on the brake side. Don't take my post as definite, I'll go check a diagram and get back to this.... you should be able to get one from the gen discussion, quick reference topic as well. Always best to not have "leftovers" after re-assembly




Edited: checked the shop manny and it probably is the collar... there is also a longer distance collar behind the wheel bearing. The Rubber bushing you mention is a dust seal.

Sec 13 page 6.



I'm not positive, but I think leaving the that collar out is going to let the wheel move from side to side on the axle. The front brake pads might be the only thing keeping the wheel centered at all... without the brake pads, the wheel could slide on the axle about the length of that collar. I'd fix this asap as the brakes could be headed for a bad failure at the pads. Possibly locking up.
 

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So I finally noticed my un-aligned front wheel. I always noticed a slight angle on my bars but I assumed the tank wasn't on straight or something. Between the right fork and wheel is there supposed to be a collar or spacer? I just have the axle rod to a rubber bushing in the wheel.



I took everything off at work and I could swear something is missing to make the forks twist or something. Nothing has any marks of a bend and no welds have stress cracks or rust so what's up here. I'll post pics later.


cant see your model in your sig....this is an 82 custom[us version]

possibly part 6...

44620286000

COLLAR,DISTANCE
 

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cant see your model in your sig....this is an 82 custom[us version]

possibly part 6...

44620286000

COLLAR,DISTANCE


como esta Bandito ? I think it's # 4 according to the parts fiche... always fun to guess




I took a pic of the wheel assy manny page for a pre 82... so here it is.





Let us know CX lover?



Edit: I hope honda does not list valves as vlaves
in the parts dept...
 

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como esta Bandito ? I think it's # 4 according to the parts fiche... always fun to guess






Let us know CX lover?



Edit: I hope honda does not list valves as vlaves
in the parts dept...


nolavox,estoy bien...lmao..or part 5
 

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Yea I looked at 4 at work. I'm fairly certain that's what is missing. I've only taken the wheel off to replace seals and the tire and I never recall seeing that
 

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Don't worry, I'm not riding till I figure this out. Well at least not the CX
 

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I doubt that missing the distance collar (part 6) would cause your problem, that collar goes inside the center of the wheel between the bearings. If you don't have the bearings out you will never see it, although you wouldn't be the first person to forget to make sure it gets in there during re-assembly. I believe part 6 is there to reduce or redistribute side loads through the bearings. You would probably have drastically shortened bearing life without it, but it shouldn't cause a wheel misalignment. My guess is part 4 also.
 

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I'm so frusterated with this.



I have that collar, i got the new one and when i took the wheel off it was already in place. I have everything pictured but it still is cocked at an angle.



So i ask, wtf could possibly make the wheel point?



I noticed on the right fork it is free to slide about even with the bolt through it to lock it in place. Not a lot of room to move but i dunno. I just tightened it down to where some of the axle shaft sticks out.





Maybe i do infact have a bent triple tree and somehow just can't notice this.



Give me things to look for and i'll take a crap load of pics. I can't figure this out and i'm at my whits end.
 

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I should also mention the headlight, gauges, and name place all are in line with each other, you get to the wheel and thats when it has the angle.



I appears to point to the left. Not certain if the brake assembly is pointing as well. I know the fender and wheel both point to the left.



I've taken the fender off thinking maybe it was twisting a fork somehow but thats not it either.
 

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Probably doesn't apply here, matter of fact I'd be surprised if it did, but with my dirt bikes it wasn't uncommon to be all messed up in the front after hopping off a bike and letting it fend for itself while you rolled.



We'd simply grip the front wheel between our knees and pull the whole thing back straight by the bars.
 

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Yea that doesn't really help.



I saw a video of someone doing that but I don't know that is my problem.



I just don't get why everything is straight but the wheel. Is it because one fork is farther forward than the other causing the wheel to align at an angle?
 

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Yea that doesn't really help.



I saw a video of someone doing that but I don't know that is my problem.



I just don't get why everything is straight but the wheel. Is it because one fork is farther forward than the other causing the wheel to align at an angle?


First thing I would do is make sure the wheel spins true and free on the axle regardless of where it's pointed. Could be a bent axle, bearing wallowed out or offset from running without the collar. Might want to pull the seal and just give the bearings a good visual inspection.



More likely than a bent triple tree, is a bent fork tube. These can be checked by removing them and rolling on a flat surface (like a pool cue).



I am just speculating, but could a blown seal on one fork tube, or a broken spring in one tube cause this ? someone else might know more ?





Disclaimer: being somewhat of a guessing game, I'm going to guess it's the wheel itself.




Edit: re reading this I noticed your post re a loose axle shaft or fork... I'm not sure I understand but if one fork is longer, there's the prob. Make sure they are clamped tight and in exactly the same place at triple. everything else should line up...
 

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Yea that doesn't really help.



I saw a video of someone doing that but I don't know that is my problem.



I just don't get why everything is straight but the wheel. Is it because one fork is farther forward than the other causing the wheel to align at an angle?


You have to loosen everything, 4 bolts in the triples, fender, axle nut, then stradle the wheel and pull things straight, then tighten again, starting from the bottom up.



You might have a fork clamped in the triple at a cockeyed angle.
 

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Ok thanks, I'll try that in a little bit.



As far as straightening I know what you are talking about and I could do that. I think I may try to take the fork tubes with me and inspect for trueness. I know the wheel spins free with no side to side movement. So out goes the axle.



I'm assuming its fairly easy to bend a fork
 

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The fender would stop the fork lowers from rotating like a dirt bike. Hope the fender is not bent, twisted. I had bent forks on a verago, yamaha, from hitting the rear of a car. They got the bend out nicely. Like working on a drive shaft.
 

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I've taken off the fender and tried without it. Still un-aligned. I'm going to just pull the forks an wheel and check it out at work on my free time.



Plus this will also allow me to change the oil to something heavier
 

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So I found out and things are bad lol!



Both fork tubes are bent about .090"



And the tubes are disco from what I hear so anybody have somw good tubes I can get cheap?



I've got a video I'll post later
 

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I assume yours is a single front disc?This might be a good time to upgrade to a dual front disc.On a Stock UK/Euro CX you can use a CB400n/CB750/CB900(Old versions) front end.

Also post in the Customization section as some one there may have spares as they tend to upgrade so may have some stock forks for you




PS

Look on the bright side.This is the time of year to get all the servicing jobs done through the dark months ready for the new year
 

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I guess going dual wouldn't be that hard. probably cost more than I want
 
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