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GL650 Wont rev past 4500 - 5000 under load

3.2K views 11 replies 5 participants last post by  Blindstitch  
#1 ·
Hi folks,
Well its been such a long time since I've been on this forum that I've had to make a new account, as Ive forgotten my old details. #
So a few weeks ago I was overtaken by a powerful lust for the SilverWing, the K75 is a cracking bike but it just doesn't have SOUL like the Wing does, so I pulled it out of the shed where its been living for the past couple of years. It'd been started up every few months or so with no problems but, naturally, now that I actually want to use it its decided to punish me for my neglect by being a bit of a bastard.
First of all it was fouling its plugs almost instantly, so quickly stripped the carbs down gave them a brief clean, and even though they appeared perfectly clean (as I've always been a bit anal about carb cleanliness) this appeared to sort the problem, and it starts and revs up fine. So I get it out on the road thinking we're all sorted only to find that she wont rev past 4500 - 5000 under any load! You can coax it past this point in 1st, 2nd and 3rd if you're gentle with the throttle but you can tell it doesn't want to and it doesn't sound quite right. And even going downhill in 5th gear it struggles to get past 5000, or about 65mph. Strange though because you can crack the throttle wide open from idle and it pulls like a train, no bogging whatsoever, until it hits the 5000 barrier.

So my first thoughts were that there was still some crap in the carb that I hadn't shifted, so I stripped them down again to give them a more thorough clean, paying attention to the pesky air bleeds, checked the ACVs, checked I hadn't mixed up the 2 jets, check the rubber bungs are tight, but even as I was doing it I was doubting this was the problem, everything seemed spot on in there, and if there was a blockage in the air bleeds or pilot jet this would be most evident at idle and at slight throttle, where its absolutely fine. For it to be struggling to get fuel at higher revs there would have to be a blockage in the main jet and thats definently clear. So I'm now thinking it may be an ignition problem, it doesn't really feel like fuel starvation when its happening.
Also stripped and cleaned the petcock, checked the manifolds for air leaks, tried it without the air filter, to no avail.
So on the ignition side of things I've tried new plugs, removed the resistor from the plug caps and cleaned all the points of contact in them and been round unplugging and replugging in all connector blocks but nothing has helped.
I've read a lot of posts relating to this similiar problem which is usually attributed to a bad stator or CDi unit and how to test them, but my bike has the TI ignition, does anyone know what the testing procedure is for this unit? Im handy with a multimeter :)
Thanks for reading, I await your responses with eagerness!!
 
#3 ·
I had a Kaw 550 Spectre that did the same thing. It showed good compression and good spark. I rebuilt the carbs to no avail. It turned out that the guy that had it it before me did a valve adjust, (The cams had to be removed to facilitate valve adjust, (Shim under cam follower) and when he reassembled it he had the cam misaligned on the cam gears by 2 teeth. Maybe your cam chain has jumped a few cogs.
 
#5 ·
Hi fellas, thanks for the speedy replies! I may try recleaning the carbs if all tests on the ignition system show up good, but without access to an ultrasonic cleaner or money to buy one I'll have to carry on the old fashioned way :) What would the symptoms of dirty or damaged ACVs be, aren't they there just to prevent the engine from running lean on the overrun?

Murray I had been thinking along similiar lines that the timing might not be advancing, according to the FSM which I've just downloaded the advance is activated by a cam which I assume moves under centrifugal force. But I'm now wondering if that cam being stuck would cause these particular symptoms, if it was totally jammed then the engine wouldn't be able to rev past 5000 regardless of load, or would it? Is it absolutely necessary to advance the timing to achieve higher revs, or does it just help it create more power doing so?
 
#6 ·
When I read read this I am wondering if you cleaned the resistors and put them back???

Did you check them ???

Stuck Atu will cause a very lazy engine and depending on load,
Can limit rpm

Remove the,air cleaner element clean the air box screens

With brake cleaner and try a quick ride with tge,air filter out
 
#7 ·
Hi,
No didn't bother checking the resistors, just replaced them with a piece of brass rod as the bike has resistor plugs in. I also tried it with a pair of resistor-less plugs to no avail. I did try the bike without the air filter which made no noticeable difference but I didn't think to check the mesh screen, i would check it now but its absolutely hoofing it down out there so I think thats a job for tomorow....if the rain ever stops that is
As for checking the timing with a strobe light, how to block the inspection hole and still see the marks? Would a piece of see - through plastic taped on be alright?
 
#9 ·
Update;
So in the absence of timing light or funds to buy one I pulled the engine yesterday to check the spark advancer but it seems absolutely fine, the cam moves freely as do the weights (?) and springs everything looks clean and healthly so I've put it all back together now, only problem I had the exhaust being thoroughly seized together. I had to take it off in one piece, I'll be taking it over to a friends house at the weekend to get it apart, weld new mounting studs onto the silencers and I think I may replace the h - box with straight through pipes while I'm at it. Opinions on h - box removal?
However I think I may have found whats causing the problem, the connector block with 3 yellow wires (from stator I think) was melted to buggery and 2 of the pins were actually touching each other in the block. Not sure what could have caused this (perhaps the year I spent riding around with a van battery on it wasn't such a good idea after all) but it can't have been doing it any good and I'm surprised it was still charging at all
 
#11 ·
Hahaa! Sorted it!
Turned out to be the fecking air filter after all. I had tried the bike without air filter, but it wouldnt run right without it so I didn't realise the problem. Now this is odd because the last time I had problems with the bike it was running rich and fouling plugs, I ripped the airfilter out there at the side of the road and it ran absolutely fine. So not sure what has changed.
Anyways, theres always a little bit of oil in the airbox due to the crankcase breather and it suddenly occurred to me that it was a paper air filter in there, and aren't paper filters supposed to stay dry? So after trying the bike without air filter again to no avail I decided to rip the paper element out of the filter cage and fitted a piece of foam in there instead. Instantly sorted the problem and the bike runs great again wooooo!
 
#12 ·
I've dealt with your air filter problem several times. So much that I know keep a stock filter in the garage but now use a K&N without problems.